What Does Satan Have Against Humans at Present?

Hello Mans,

You said: “Satan was an angel but wasn’t from angel’s essence, he was from demon’s race so he was prepared to be upset due to his hidden irritably.”

There were not three creations in the beginning. There were angels and then there were humans. After the humans 1/3 of the angels fell and became what we call demons. They can never be angels again, but they are from the ‘angelic’ creation. There was no deliberate demonic third creation.

You: “Satan got out from obeying (not operatively but hearty) and requested god a respite to deceives and tempts human and drag him to hell”.

Requested a break in God’s plan so that he (Satan) could corrupt humanity? That’s a good interpretation of “Job” from the bible, but it wasn’t the whole of humanity, it was just that one man, and that legend is based in a Mesopotamian myth, it ‘became’ Christian after some adaption and ended up in the OT. And Job was never corrupted, which is more than we can say for a lot of humanity, of any religion, these days. 🙁

The problem with saying that God is guiding, is that there is no sign of this actual ‘guidance’. The ‘voice’ of the dark is getting louder and louder, or seems to be, given the way societies are falling apart these days. God’s voice, if anyone truly hears it, is very quiet and subtle (its known as the ‘still, quiet, voice’ and speaks through our hearts), but if a person’s heart is full of pain they seldom hear it, or worse, they get talked out of believing it by organised religion that says everything that isn’t in the bible is evil – so we must not talk to angels, or other unseen things. And look what the church ‘fathers’ did to people like Mary Magdalene .. turned her into a prostitue for many years .. just because she washed Jesus’ feet and dried them with her hair?

There are so many other lovely female voices that never made it into the bible, because they didn’t say exactly what the church wanted people to hear, but I’ll leave that subject alone.

Satan (Samael) came from God, and is still part of God, because God is ‘everything’, IMO, and you can’t separate ‘everything’ into ‘a bit of this’ and ‘none of that’. Satan will return to God, just like you and I do when we die, if we can get enough good people together, who love God and trust each other, we can fill the world with love and cut through the general corruption, but it takes time, energy and commitment, in a time of great struggle.

My angels have asked me for over a year now “Who do you become …?” .. who do I become .. from moment to moment? Do I live in fear of the dark, because I know the power of it in ways that others don’t, or will I walk in Light forever?

Love & Peace
Ama (Light-walker LOL)

Hello Mans,

This is a great discussion, and I am enjoying it, 🙂 and so I want to comment on a few things you said.

You said, in the first paragraph, that Satan is not an angel, then called him an archangel .. which leads me to wonder what you think an arch’angel’ is? It is the premier angel in a family (group) of angels, as you said. As I said earlier, Satan, if we are talking about the head demon, and not some lesser being (a demon by that name exists but is not the ‘top’ demon), has been misnamed. It is actually named ‘Samael’ and was the Angel of Illumination before it fell, and I had a number of interaction with it many years ago when I first wrote my book about the falling of the angels.

Angels are energy beings, they do not eat. They do not consume energy of any form, because they are direct manifestations of God’s will, and do not require sustenance.

I know its a discussion about your belief system and mine, Mans, but how much interaction have you actually had with angels directly .. to get your information?

I agree that God speaks through Gabriel (angels of the Gabriel group) but He/It also speaks through the Michael, Uriel, Raphael and angels of the other houses, depending on what information He wishes to impart to the listener. Gabriel was given to humanity to inspire them to seek God in creative ways, the rest also have their roles. It’s a very interesting topic.

You said: “AMA, though, the friendship is a green garden which we walk on it and talk each other but god‘s essence is not comparable with ”anything“. He is not alike a thing and a thing is not alike him. Everything has been created by him but is not from him and there is nothing to be created him. It doesn’t diminished from him when he create a thing and when a thing has been created it doesn’t increase to him. This is what god has said to one of his loved one about ”himself” and ”things” : He (god) is with things but not to be that thing – and – is except that thing but not to be apart“.

Me: Very interesting, also very confusing. God creates something, but isn’t the creation, and yet is the creation, because he created it. It is no wonder that people get confused by our ‘good’ books.

In the meantime, is it your opinion that everything is outside God, no matter what it is? To me, everything is ‘inside’ God, no matter what it is. God created everything “within itself” to “understand itself”. It is in being separated from ‘God’, which we do to ourselves, that we become lost souls. Samael tried to separate itself from God, to be better than God, but ended up failing .. and falling into the darkness .. but Mans, Hell, where the dark dwells, apart from this planet, but also part of this planet, is not separated from God either. A part of hell exists inside each living person, just as a part of heaven (Christ energy (Christian version) by whatever name) also exists within us. We are not separated from God, for we have ‘God within’, but we can try and live that way, if we choose.

That is why, IMO, when a person returns to God, through their chosen belief system (religion .. whichever one) they have this sense of being ‘born again’ (that’s the Christian wording), or ‘re-awakened’, because they have, in a way, been reconnected (or taken down the barrier they put up between them) to God (whichever God they choose to follow by whatever name).

You said: “So we can’t find a thing to be from god or to be alike god , specially an unclean and so great wicked and viced enemy as Satan.”

Me: Each group of angels have a specific name. The Michael name means “who is like God”. They did not name themselves, Mans, God named them. Each of the groups of angels ‘is like God’ specific to their calling. God is said heal people, He/It sends Raphaels to do that work. God protects people (sends Michael to do that). It teaches people (Uriel’s task, among others). They are all ‘like God’ in some way or form. They are also ‘from’ God, and part of God.

I know the human bible teaches us that the dark (fallen angels etc) will not be accepted back into the Light, but that is not my experience. I have crossed fallen angels into heaven, Mans. I haven’t done it just once, but many times over the year, by myself, and in group situations which have startled the members of the group who were empathic enough to feel the strangeness of the energy. We did not cross them from hell into hell .. we crossed them into the same place of LOVE where all of us go to when we die.

When I write about these subjects, I try to do so from direct experience, not just from the various bibles I own. I know they are written by men, and women, from their belief systems – beliefs that are over 2000 years old now. I think that Christ coming back into the world changed so much for all of us .. only we built our books of ‘fact’ on mythology from times far before when they were first written. It would be good to update them in information, but not just rewrite them (which we are discussing on another QA page), but to do that we have to cut through so much ‘new age’ psychobabble – because people are still receiving messages from God, without being prophets, but also from a whole bunch of other entities – that when you analyse the message, are all saying ‘nothing much in a great many words’. But that’s another topic again.

Wishing you a gorgeous day .. we have the first sunshine in a week, and this is my first, deliberately chosen, day off in months. LOL

Love & Peace
Ama

wish good days for you

Hello again Mans,

Yes, Samael has many names, mainly because human beings all give it different names, depending on their culture and beliefs. I wonder if God thinks of us by our names .. thought, to me, its unlikely, given that a ‘name’ is attached to personality, rather than to the ‘spirit’ of the person. Mind you, changing your name can be a powerful experience for many people, including some in my family. I don’t think we should try to identify the dark by a name (which is why I call it ‘the dark’ .. ) because when someone calls your name, don’t you turn towards the sound and answer? I know I do. We don’t need to attract that sort of attention. (I have heard of both Eblise and Azazil .. but they are both demon names, not the head demon, in my understanding).

You said: No , I haven’t seen Satan at all and just have seen some of the angels in the shape of humans in the dream but sometimes I feel them in the holy Islamic places.

That’s lovely. I have seen them and felt them in holy places and ugly ones, and with people, simply walking in the street. We are surrounded by angels, mostly light ones … sometimes the dark ones too.

You said: Usually god doesn’t permit any human see his angels except a group of his nearest friends as prophets and their top followers. I say really , I am not an important servant of tremendous God but “MAY” I can see some ordinary angels If I request god by some particular prays ( by his accepting and permission and due to his merciful ) , but I Haven’t wished such seeing yet .

It happens for good reasons, Mans, not for ‘our’ reasons, and not by our wishes – but I don’t think its because God ‘doesn’t permit’, but rather that we are too frightened of the ununsual, or unbelieving, or simply do not need to ‘see’ them. They are there to assist us, not to distract us from daily life – and they would be a good distraction, for a while .. but because humans get used to thing, and then can ignore, angels keep their importance for us by being ‘unseen’ – otherwise we might become complacent and forget their wonder and beauty.

You said: About God’s creation and his relation with things , It is too plenty mystery than human or angel or even prophets can attain to its ultimate realities. We can’t question : “ what is god? “ ( What is or how is his unknown essence). We can just question : “ who is god ?” ( Understand him that how is his attributes , moralities)

I think we might not be able to answer ‘what is God’ or ‘who’, but we were created to ask those questions. If we do not question, but accept blindly, how does our reality grow, for the better. It is by turning our back and deciding to ignore things that cause us trouble (or are hard to answer) that we generally end up drawing that trouble to us (or being forced to confront it in some way). It is in asking God ‘who’ it is, that we begin to find ourselves .. our spiritual selves, which is the more important aspect of our physical journey (life).

You said: So it is wrong which most people think about god’s essence quality and his plenty great mysteries.

That’s true .. and why is it wrong? Because we don’t say ‘that doesn’t make sense’ when someone feeds us information we are told we HAVE TO believe. Oh dear, the number of ministers of churches I have upset with my difficult questions. The answer “god works in mysterious ways’ is an evasion, in my opinion.

You said: Those are not possible and searchable. It is said : ” individual god’s mysteries are a great and unknown ocean, don’t go into it , and if not you will lose ( drawn ) forever.

Mans .. what is wrong with being drawn into God’s ocean (mystery) forever? I live within it, even learned to swim .. I am not lost. No, this is another answer like the ‘God works in mysterious ways’. It means the person who said this doesnt’ want to admit they don’t know the answer .. or worse, they don’t want to know, to delve that deep into our ‘written word’ (bibles, yours and mine) and find all the contradictions in it. Sigh

You said: Also I didn’t say everything was outside god, outside , inside , beside and such phrase use for things which are included by place and time. It does mean materially locations are meaningless about god.

Are they really? The way I see it, God is everywhere, all the time, in every location .. giving each meaning. Without God everything is empty .. and ceases to exist, if it existed at all.

You said : “ I think that Christ coming back into the world changed so much for all of us….. “ – This is what I believe in it surely. He will appear someday soon or late. So it is not just a thought but is a certain truth because he is alive now and been never killed but I can’t express it easy because of respecting to Christian’s belief about “ Jesus sacrifice”.

I think you expressed that very well. 🙂

You said: Thank you very much AMA , although I couldn’t interpret and find out what was the meaning of your last sentence. I don’t know when my English would get better enough and when I would become a professional in English phrases, Idioms and proverbs …. [ Smile]

We moved house at the end of July, Mans, to a new town. The house is old and needs renovating (like big leaks in the roof, that are now fixed, and lots of repainting of the concrete walls). The house is about 70 years old and will look lovely when its finished, but right now .. it needs work. I have been working nonstop, each day, for the month and have totally exhausted myself .. so, I had a day off, and today I am having off .. and probably tomorrow, but on Saturday we are back to the other house (a 4 hour drive away) to collect more of my mother’s pots from the garden). We drive 4 hours to the house, spend 4 or 5 hours loading trailers with stuff, then drive home again. It makes a very long and tiring day.

Wishing you a lovely productive one,
Love & Peace
Ama

Good morning Mans,

You were also describing the blockhead Christians, in all their various sects and versions of that religion, who would rather hate someone who is different, or believes different things, or has different skin colour .. and then name themselves things like ‘the new Templar Knights’ .. than accept that God created all of us, and genetics and environment provided the adaptions to our hair, skin, eyes and stature etc, just to start with, and then we add in the varieties of beliefs. My new ‘question’ is ‘why do people love instead of hating’? It takes so much more energy to hate something than it does to accept it and allow it to just ‘be’ what it is, or who it is.

I agree that God is far bigger, and far more complex, than the boundaries we place on him with our simple languages and understandings of this world and the spiritual planes. I wonder what the ‘white’ folk would do if ‘God’ turned up with a lovely dark skin colour? After all, Jesus was a Jew.

We have so much to learn!

Love & Peace (just to start with)
Ama